replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 7:28 AM
you do not recognise truth, you are open minded.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 7:26 AM
Do not be silly. Explain to me how 1+1=2 it true without reference to its context.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 7:21 AM
What is truth if you do not with any conviction believe it to be right. By the way, I never said I believed in truth. The problem with truth is that the further you advance the more fuzzy the picture becomes. Imagine a microscope with ever increasing magnification.
replying on The Symbol by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 7:12 AM
That is to say. The question is what is the symbol of cruelty. The answer I presume a crucifix. The question that begs, why so coy?
replying on The Symbol by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 7:04 AM
would you mind being a bit less thick.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 5:05 AM
By the way the reason you find yourself positioned in the dim camp is that you have just said how one must keep an open mind to receive truth and then proceeded to tell me that to be true. On route behaving like an incredulous dunce.
on The Symbol by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 1:12 AM
What is this symbol round her neck though. Agree about AIDS, the cack handed grammar of it, that the narrator does not really know what she is on about.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 1:04 AM
Convoluted sentence: Closed mindedness inhibits the entrance of truth. This is your base unit. It assumes things about truth such as it exists and that it is discrete. Let me ask you this. You are open minded and therefore hold truth with no way of identifying it. Is that any different from someone who is closed minded who holds truth but believes it to be wrong. If so why.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
25 Mar 2005, 12:52 AM
It is hardly isolated. You have this fuzzy picture where somehow the brain absorbs 'truth' and 'truth' exists in the brain without context.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 2:48 PM
Now fathead.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 2:46 PM
You started this by making some overblown claim that open-mindedness brings truth whereas closed mindedness prevents the bringing of truth. I do not have to prove the efficacy of one over the other just provide a counter-argument that there are aspects of closed mindedness that bring about truth. This is sufficient to prove you wrong.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 2:45 PM
I think you are too bumbling to write a precise sentence. The reason for all the speculation is that noeone knows what you are going on about. What the hell is 'truth' you keep referencing. What is an open mind. What is a closed mind. What is a mind. Where is the base unit of truth that allows truth to exist independantly of unproven propositions. Is truth good. Is truth useful if you can not recognise it. Jesus. How can I accept what you say when you are not saying anything.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 11:29 AM
Please explain yourself.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 9:33 AM
Models are what you use to understand the world. All models have assumptions that must be taken as given. Therefore there is no understanding without first accepting the model's assumptions. Noeone is arguing that having what would colloquially be called a closed mind may well contribute to a persons ignorance. But as usual you went too far by spouting pretentious nonsense about open mindedness bringing truth. I have provided two counter arguments (i) Truth requires enquiry which requires assumptions to be made that are taken as correct (closed mind). (ii) The person receiving the results of this enquiry uses schemata to hold the information which itself makes assumptions taken as correct.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 9:16 AM
But you have no way to decipher what truth is because your mind is open. Therefore all you have done is taken truths and nontruths from outside of your head and placed them inside of your head. Except you have not because your head is not big enough to hold and conceive of the infinite number of models that could explain a given phenomenon.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
24 Mar 2005, 9:13 AM
Are you serious? My argument has been consistent from the start based on what I saw as a flaw in your reasoning. You now claim I should be changing my mind because you don't accept that flaw, and that I do not is evidence of me not being open minded enough to receive truth?!
replying on The Populous by durr_T_hip_E
23 Mar 2005, 10:06 AM
I think you are mistaken.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
23 Mar 2005, 9:57 AM
i.e. you miss truth anyway.
replying on Reasonably Good by Dovina
23 Mar 2005, 9:56 AM
Models are closed minded. To be truly open minded you would have to conceive of the infinite possible models that explain a phenomena and hold them all simultaneously. This would make your brain explode. Also if you can not identify truth and you are open minded you end up back where you started. Having to pick truth from the ether of possibilities you accept might have credence (in your case everything), which you admit you are unable to do.
replying on stab in the dark by not_a_philosopher
23 Mar 2005, 2:48 AM
Do you believe everyone who submits themselves to reason and logic will become, like you, an agnostic?