-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I.28 Oct 2002

what...I can't understand this...too many...ellipses...

Look. You may well "feel" that what the Bible says is true, but that is no basis for *asserting* that it's true. If you say that what the Bible says is true, it follows that you say that part of what the Koran says is not true, since some of what the Bible says contradicts some of what the Koran says. But people who say that all of what the Koran says is true feel it is true just as much as you feel that what the Bible says is true. You can't both be right, so either you're wrong, they're wrong, or you're both wrong.

It seems hard to argue for either of the first two cases, since by your admission the *only* thing we have to go on in this case is what people "feel" is true, and neither side has an advantage in this respect. For lack of evidence, then, I can only conclude that you're both wrong.

Replying to this by saying "I don't care if it's logical or not; I just believe in my heart that it's true" will not make sense. Unless, that is, you are not only using a magical, vague notion of "believe" but also a magical, vague notion of "is true".

I would like a definition of what it is to believe 'X' in one's heart. As far as I can tell this is just another way of saying you "feel" that 'X' is true. If so, I would like an explanation of how "feeling" that 'X' is true is different from "believing" that 'X' is true. I would also like to hear what you mean by "is true". My necessary and sufficient conditions are: 'X' is true if and only if X. Please tell me your necessary and sufficient conditions for proposition 'X' to be true.