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on Undertow by eliastemplar
9 Aug 2003, 2:38 PM
MMMMMMM. Yep maybe 'last' summer?
http://www.salon.com/media/1998/09/01med
Oh, and by the way, fuck you. Your poetry sucks. Rest assured in knowing it's not about who's better than who, or "underground" or any of that shit you fucking pretentious jealous twit. It's about the art form and the magic of story telling... You fucking think I care so much about image, and you couldn't be farther from the heart. Any day any time any where you say when, and I will put your argument in the trash can where it belongs along with your contrived selfish agenda. Poet and Knowit? Yeah, how fucking ridiculous does that user name sound, and you call me a joke. HA!
You are an idiot. I do need an editor you ass. That's what I'm fucking saying? An editor takes the poetry and edits it, sends it back to the author for approval, or any of his changes, then vice versa again until it satisfies both all parties included. you know that as well as I do. When you have a board of editors half of which can't write, and ALL contradicting each other's suggestions while even unaware that they're doing that? I mean give me a break... Ha ha, Oh and through the entire process the poet is called on to do the actual editing via vague contradictory suggestions? I believe that to be a joke. I need an editor that edits. You are a joke Mrs. Peabody, not I. So let's review. I need an editor. I love editors, but only editors that indeed 'edit'. If you think for a moment Lish edited from the phone verbally, or by offering his writers a one sentence critique you my friend are the joke because, that man wrote while 'editing', he made the appropriate changes, okayed it with the author in question, and then sent it through. You are a lazy idiot to think otherwise, not that I didn't know that already Senior asswear.
Your right, you do not need an editor. You write perfect little ditties. Sorry about the declines from NFG. However, I bet you are declined a lot because no one understands how deep and poetic you are. Fuck them all. You are better than that and deep, deep underground. Maybe I was thinking different for a minute, but no, you are a joke.
Editors edit not theorize about the benefits of editors. Misses Peabody from NFG magazine couldn't edit a cantalope for breakfast with her staff of flunkys. That is my opinion, and if she wants to disagree she can put her writing and editing where her mouth is, because I have yet to see any literature that would contrast my point. As for the eighties and Lish? Who gives a fuck. And as for Stan Rice... Ha ha! You care more about that guy and bring him up more than I ever have. Cheers.
"more apt to a lower mentality"
lol.. kiddo, school doesnt have shit to do with a persons mentality, its about what they do in life, the shit they went through, the way they got throught it, and the lessons learned in the process..
And to be more precise, i was expelled. slightly different, long story anyway. simplicity? EXACTLY.. while the kiddos were learning about how rocks erode and struggling to read "How to kill a mockingbird" i was eating up the words of hermann hesse and his masterfull book Demian, examining philosophy and shamanism, along with studying entheogenic substances so intensly that i became a fucking human drug encyclopedia for anything psychoactive.
And that was just on the side of learning the intricate workings of windows and linux, programming in pascal, C, C++, and ASM32,
and being obsessed with computer security...
And at that time period, i was writing poetry purely for my own soul.. something i have been doing since i was 13, and now i am 17, and i will turn 18 on sept 1. earlier on when i was 15 i attempted to dabble with other poets on irc rooms, but my writing didnt get far with that.. so i abandoned the adventure.
I recently picked it up.. and started posting here.
My first few works were laughed at, ripped apart, and pissed apon with extreme witty humor.. what did i do? i tried harder.
i didnt sit there whining "its not how i wanted to write it" blah blah blah.. i fucking took up the challenge and started improving my work. thats says more than your stupid "it isnt what the poem was sposed to be" routine..
dont need my sympathy? im not being sympathetic you twat. And, btw, my "ideas" (which arent ideas, they are harsh critique) arent "profound".
And i dont have any dislike of you personally in any way, shape, or fashion, im simply dissappointed in your lack of passion or seriouse work concerning your writing.. and then crying about how your poems are being destroyed.. pfffft.
Im not sitting here rambling just to step on you, i can do that in alot more entertaining and insultive fashion... Im actually attempting to get you to wake the fuck up, and you sit there
whining about how im an evil evil little man who wants to destroy your poetry... if i wanted to, id simply parody your stuff.
Ask retaliate how evil i am.. his Myopic Labotomized Hubris piece got a mini parody from me in a comment.. he didnt sit there whining, or screaming stupid insults about it, the mother fucker said: ok smartass, ill make it better!
And he did, he made his poem 10 times better than the original..
now thats how one improves his skill in poetry, by taking on challenges and learning his art from trial/error, and writing better and practicing till his pen is a sharped sword to do battle in the halls of imagination..
too bad your not upto the test, you wont even try.. tsk.
If you want to get real technical being a high school drop out doesnât make you any less intellectual than anyone else. Sure youâre more apt to be of a lower mentality due to that being the reason most dropout. However there are those who were intellectually stimulated enough to be bothered with the simplicity of school. For those the boredom sets in like rigor mortis. Dazing at the wall spacing off dreaming about the freedom outside the prison of school. Thatâs why I dropped out, went to alternative school and got to set my own pace. Was done within eight months.
Its not that I canât understand the big words, I do. The whole Mr. Webster thing just complimented the statement above. Complimenting words and phrases, being a poet you should know all about that. Each line is meant to help one another in their quest of becoming a poem. Poetry is what has kept me alive and giving me a fighting edge in this life so itâs became part of my daily life. Being part of daily life means that its heard and shown in my dialect.
Pity me all you want, but know that I donât need your sympathy or profound ideas made with blind contempt eradicating my life.
Have a nice day and again I thank you for your comments good or bad. Each comment gives me the chance to grow and better myself and my writing.
Very nice.
Attempt to use a dictionary and some simple reading.. thats all you need to do to go down that road of understanding our elitist code...
"Talk to me like I'm human not Mr. Webster himself."
you dont do any amount of work into bettering your writing.. you wont even try to figure out the meaning of simple words by typing in www.webster.com and copy/pasting a word or two into the dictionary box and reading the definition it gives you..
wow, you can utter excuses all goddamn day and do absolutely nothing to improve your writing/reading ability.
look, its not hard, im a highschool drop out with terrible spelling and poor grammar, and im also an all star junky, ive done it all... but i still manage to understand those "extremely complicated" phrases... man, thats sad when the bottom of the barrel can do a thousand times better than you.. or maybe being a highschool dropout junky with terrible spelling and grammar has nothing to do with it.. hrmm? what do you think? eh?
i really pity you..
Yeah you got me on that. I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately I'm blanking on how to fix this one.
"However at the same time some people need to look at the art in form rather than what they themselves want to see and believe the form should be."
you dont get it do you? It has nothing to do with i think it should be you twit, im talking about HOW you write the damned poem.
Your telling me you cant challenge yourself to do better than just burp cliche filled melodramatic poetic drool? Are you saying that attempting to take your writing to the next level will destroy your "style and mind set"? YOU DONT HAVE A GODDAMNED STYLE KID!!! thats why the stupid "mind set" of the poem is crap, and looks like a poem made by an 8th grade student.
"Not saying any of mine are worth a shit..."
They might be worth a shit if you actually challenged yourself to do better, then maybe you wouldnt have people ripping your shit up into pieces...
stop crying about it and fucking evolve, or shut the fuck up and continue writing the same unartistic crap you've been fartin onto this site, thats ok by me, just dont do this whine routine.
There is also an army scientists who believes that UFOs have a secret base inside his brain, so just because one person believes something doesn't make it true.
That doesn't mean I'm defending the use of depleted uranium necessarily I'm just saying that the Army has studied depleted uranium for 50 years, and either they are telling us the truth that depleted uranium holds no real hazards or there has been a systematic subversion of science for 50 years. If the latter is true then something fundamentally has gone wrong with how our nation conducts research. You cannot lead the world in science if you are making it up. Nature does not lie to other countries and will not tell you the truth if you do not seek it.
The Army is not a single individual but it is a single concept that I think has fair use here. If Bush says something, people say, "America this morning said...". If Bush can speak for America then certainly the head of the Army speaks for the Army.
Cliche are Ideas that are over used. Mostly anything classical is going to be cliche, because they are well tred words that have been used all to often, because someone saw them, or heard them and has repeated them. The thing about famous poems from the past is that they had there critics at there time too. I liked the point you tryed to make very valid, but this is today, not the days of yesteryear. I'm saying that its quite good, despite being cliche.
Spent some time on this one I can see. Nicely done and I agree with most the points you made keep up the good work. -10-
I myself think that if the person can't write a comment of at least 100-150 characters they shouldnât be able to vote. I love how when you have say even a single 10,9, and 8 you get hit with a 1 or a 0 no comment just a vote. If the person canât say what they like or donât like about the poem then they havenât earned the right to vote. I myself donât vote often⦠just sit back and comment here and there. Doesnât mean Iâm not reading. But some just donât make me have the need to comment so I donât vote on them either. If I canât give a poem at least a 5 I refuse to vote on it.
Maybe Iâm just stupid *nods at self* that has to be it :)
I saw that you wrote it and saw how many hits it had so I had to come and see what all the fuss was about :)
See ya around man... and nice "poem" by the way. Stick it to um!
Ok I'm confused as hell. If there isn't any images in my work then its filled with cliches. Heavy handed word drama? What exactally is that. I'm from Iowa talk to me in retart english because I don't understand. Cliches yeah what the hell are those? Talk to me like I'm human not Mr. Webster himself.
I thank you for sticking up for me but there is no need. I've grown used to having every little thing picked apart. I kinda like it. Sometimes I don't have a clue what the people are really trying to say... but life goes on. If its soemthing related to my work it can only make me and my writing that much stronger. However at the same time some people need to look at the art in form rather than what they themselves want to see and believe the form should be.
Go look at some famous poems... these people would rip them apart too. Not saying any of mine are worth a shit... just trying to make a point and failing.
whoa....i've been gone for a few days and when i come back three poems in the top ten!
poemranker never fails to surprise...
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