Yes, why don't you comment on one of my recent poems on which I received no comments. I feel neglected.

You. I know it sounds unbelievable.

That's not what I actually said, and your exaggeration is wrong.

dim, dim, dim

You did not address my first paragraph. I assume you did not because it destroys your argument that I had not read your previous comment correctly. That comment was an attempt to deceive me into thinking I had overlooked something that I did not overlook. It displays the kind of argument I can expect in the other matters we are discussing.

At least we agree that truth can come from an unreliable source. I have not confused 0 correlation and negative correlation. I don’t agree that correlation is the issue. The perception of unlikeliness of truth coming from the “unreliable” source is the basis of closed mindedness. Any real correlation is difficult if not impossible to determine.

Your hypothetical race of Liars could not communicate with each other in the practicalities of ordinary life because of the cumbersome nature of the process. By the time you extract from your man what he had for breakfast, it would be lunch time or dinner time and purpose for asking would have passed.

No, you said we should “embrace accepting false propositions.” Then while I was writing my response, you changed it to “rejecting.” That’s why my comment is posted three times under Comments and only once in the Poem’s comments. Now, you want me to admit that I overlooked something.

Truth sometimes comes from unreliable sources of information. I think we agree on that. I hope so, because if your overcomplicated analogy means otherwise, then we have again reached an impasse.

Your defense of a race of Liars fails because for every truth there is not necessarily an opposite, but often many untruths the liar could use to create utter confusion.

You oversimplify my definition of closed minded. If I had said that “all propositions uttered by an unreliable source are false” then I would have to say that if an unreliable source said to a closed minded person that 1+1=2, that person would call it false. No, a closed mind rejects information it determines false or unimportant based on criteria such as the race, sex, or religion. It rejects information because of the source or the manner of presentation rather than content. It does not necessarily reject obviously true information from the unreliable source, but rejects most offerings out of hand. Such people are racist, sexist, etc.

A race of Liars is unimaginable. How could they communicate? Let’s talk about real minds. You say we should “embrace accepting false propositions.” I hope you don’t mean that. Perhaps you mean “consider propositions that appear false.”

A closed mind does not necessarily make assertions based on insufficient evidence. There may be good evidence in a person’s thinking that Negroes are an unreliable source of information, for example. He is closed minded if he rejects information from that source. It is important to recognize closed mindedness because through it good information is rejected.

A race of Liars is unimaginable. How could they communicate? Let’s talk about real minds. You say we should “embrace accepting false propositions.” I hope you don’t mean that. Perhaps you mean “consider propositions that appear false.”

A closed mind does not necessarily make assertions based on insufficient evidence. There may be good evidence in a person’s thinking that Negroes are an unreliable source of information, for example. He is closed minded if he rejects information from that source. It is important to recognize closed mindedness because through it good information is rejected.

A race of Liars is unimaginable. How could they communicate? Let’s talk about real minds. You say we should “embrace accepting false propositions.” I hope you don’t mean that. Perhaps you mean “consider propositions that appear false.”

A closed mind does not necessarily make assertions based on insufficient evidence. There may be good evidence in a person’s thinking that Negroes are an unreliable source of information, for example. He is closed minded if he rejects information from that source. It is important to recognize closed mindedness because through it good information is rejected.

A closed mind rejects information which it determines false or unimportant based on criteria such as the race, sex, or religion of the person providing the information. It rejects information because of the source or the manner of presentation rather than content. Of course, we all do it. The argument is over whether it’s good or something we should try to avoid.

I thought I was funny, you didn't.

I have evaluated what zodiac said about what I have said (opened my mind to considering it) I have decided that his assertion of my being full of crap is false. Therefore, I made the statement you reference. That's not perfect open mindedness, but it's a damn sight more than his.

Say it in a nasty way if you wish, I know it's your style. I never said I am 100% openminded, but said that to the extent I am openminded I am a better person.

It will take more than false claims and straw men to make me shut up.

1) That's so unlikely that "impossible" is a good word to describe it.

2)Determining the truth of a proposition requires it to be considered. That is not the same as saying anyone who believes any proposition is true or false is openminded. You can believe a proposition is true without even considering it. To consider it requires enough acceptance (openmindedness) to consider it. And example of closed mindedness is to say a person is full of crap without first considering what she has said.

3)Yes

Isn't it strange how I say "straw man" when you posit some theory to my credit and the theory has no relationship to what I was saying or any implication drawn from what I said?

Me, I do.

I pardon your typo and agree - it's a symbol of grusome execution. I said that in the poem without any grammar mangling.

Yes, and at the time this feeling was entirely real, still is.

I usually try to avoid the sappy, but must admit to its lure sometimes.