Comments byDovina, 1841–1860 back, including replies. Only comments on poems

replying on War (edit) by zodiac 13 Dec 2005, 4:05 PM
I'm all aflutter. Could we? Could we? Really?
replying on Oh Merry Fay (part 1) by ALChemy 13 Dec 2005, 3:57 PM
Are you saying that because I have no clue what you are saying that I get it?
replying on CHRISTMAS EVERYDAY by amanda_dcosta 13 Dec 2005, 3:54 PM
Please do not allow zodiac to cause sorrow. You may write in whatever style you wish and in promotion of whatever opinions you have. I wish, though, that you would reconsider lines like "Baby Jesus, true and sweet," for what they are really saying. I would not like to see you not give up any of your beliefs, but rather think deeply about how you might convey them in meaningful ways to folks who may differ.

I look foreward to seeing your more recent poems. The ones from 1996 must be inferior to what you are writing now.
on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet 13 Dec 2005, 3:44 PM
If you wish to debate zodiac, and I must admit he's strangly nonsensical game sometimes, please do not do it by posting a "poem." I gave you a 0, not because your areguments are bad (They are pretty good) but because it is not a poem.

Thanks for listening.
replying on I saw Your Face Last Night by Dovina 13 Dec 2005, 3:38 PM
It's not a language I speak well - love. The kiddieposters are often better at it than I. I think that being close to something makes me a lesser poet at it until the thing settles into some sensible and kind of mysterious solid.
replying on Observer by Dovina 13 Dec 2005, 3:35 PM
Past tense is better, and I've already done that. I hate posting revisions though.

The last stanze makes such clever use of the God/wad rhyme, that I really deserve a 9 just for that.
replying on Observer by Dovina 13 Dec 2005, 3:31 PM
As a "typical American" I want unequality, if that means freedom.
replying on Observer by Dovina 13 Dec 2005, 3:30 PM
Yes, I see what you're saying. When I am strongly emotional about something, it is not easy to find any part of me that is not emotioinal. But I try to pull that observer part aside and let her look impartially at the emotional me. It's not easy, which is why you say that if I am successful, I probably am not realy emotional, but my usual dicotomy of emotion and logic.

All I ask is that you try it next time you feel fully emotioinally involved in something. It takes practice and discipline. I hope you can get past thinking it's impossible.
on CHRISTMAS EVERYDAY by amanda_dcosta 13 Dec 2005, 10:02 AM
I understand that you wish to share your Christian faith. I wish you would give it a little more thought before writing though. Most of these lines are trite. May I suggest reading CS Lewis, "Mere Christianity" for ideas on how to make your beliefs more digestable.
on Oh Merry Fay (part 1) by ALChemy 13 Dec 2005, 9:58 AM
Why must you entertain us with such lyrical,but unintelligible talk? Can you not speak Ordinary sometimes? Iget only inklings of what you mean.
replying on The Third Fall Of Jesus by amanda_dcosta 13 Dec 2005, 9:55 AM
Sorry you've developed over the years such an attraction to the fiction, -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I., written by at least two people the nature of whom changes from dismal to dismal according to the weather and who seeks only the belittlement of good poets. Fall for it if you will, and maybe it truly represents the characters of its creators. Enjoy.
replying on I saw Your Face Last Night by Dovina 13 Dec 2005, 9:43 AM
Thank you.
replying on War (edit) by zodiac 12 Dec 2005, 3:06 PM
Yes, we've done this before. I didn't see George, though. Maybe you'll have to paint him a little more in real likeness, or just tell me I'm dim.
on War (edit) by zodiac 12 Dec 2005, 3:01 PM
When you start by calling her Girlie, I immediatly assume its going to be a put-down of her. And I was not disappointed. I think it would be stronger if we were not given that assumption up front.
replying on Observer by Dovina 12 Dec 2005, 2:55 PM
Well ok, but you just said you didn't. Whatever. Try a conscious effort at being an observer of yourself next time.
replying on I saw Your Face Last Night by Dovina 12 Dec 2005, 2:53 PM
That's not bad, not bad at all. Thanks.
replying on Observer by Dovina 12 Dec 2005, 2:50 PM
It takes practice. Try it next time you're angry, or elated, or passionate. It really does give different, often humerous, ideas about the situation and about yourself.
replying on Observer by Dovina 11 Dec 2005, 3:00 PM
I admitted I am not excellent in everything. Why do you say, “DOVINA: I'm excellent.”?

In deference to your sensibilities, I would change one sentence in my response to DA. I would change “Congratulations on your feeling of moral excellence” to “Congratulations on your determination of moral excellence. The next sentence, “You must feel very content in that knowledge.” I would not change.

As for standing apart from my angry self, it takes discipline and practice. You should try it.
replying on Observer by Dovina 11 Dec 2005, 2:58 PM
I apologize for deleting your comment, zodiac. I accidentally hit the little red x.
Here it is to my recollection:

Zodiac: Would you mind clarifying what you mean be "I observe my emotions"? Do you mean that some part of you which is not, say, angry, looks at the angry part without itself feeling anger? Can you really properly say you're angry in that instance? I would really, genuinely, care to understand, but all I come up with is that you're kind of muddy on the idea of emotions in general. For instance:
-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: I judge myself to be excellent.
DOVINA: I'm glad you *FEEL* excellent.
-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: You are a guff cozy of rather dim emotions.
DOVINA: I'm excellent.