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Two Basic Forces

by dougsoderstrom

Member since 2002 · Posted 31 Aug 2004 · 22 comments

Two basic forces tend to mold man’s character. The evolutionary force drives man with one, and only one, thing in mind……… to protect his own life with little or no regard for anyone or anything else. Contrarily, the spiritual force moves man to consider the needs of others with little or no regard for his own welfare. However, due to society’s overwhelming capacity to meld man into itself, to make of man nothing more than a rather simple extension of its own ignobility, man’s potential for spiritual excellence becomes subverted into something far less gracious; it becomes transformed into a collective force for evil.

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[8] INTRANSIT 31-Aug-04/3:14 PM Reply
i know. innit great! we're all underdogs. mans best friend.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › INTRANSIT 1-Sep-04/6:15 AM Reply
Yes........ such is a wonderful thing!
[7] Shardik 31-Aug-04/11:37 PM Reply
Pure smut.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › Shardik 1-Sep-04/6:14 AM Reply
Such as yourself......... I presume!
[9] Dan garcia-Black 1-Sep-04/7:41 AM Reply
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Amen. Nice construct.
[1] klosterfobik 1-Sep-04/7:38 PM Reply
Is this poetry?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › klosterfobik 2-Sep-04/7:54 AM Reply
Not really....... just something I wanted to share with others.
[n/a] horus8 › dougsoderstrom 4-Sep-04/12:33 AM Reply
Like a nigger lipped joint rolled by a blind pariah.
[n/a] Christof 3-Sep-04/8:27 AM Reply
More a pensee than a poem. Worth saying though. A hint of Nietzsche.
[n/a] deleted user › Christof 4-Sep-04/4:01 PM Reply
Chris you are a cow. I have never managed a nice comment from paki but when you complemented one of mine I was so proud. After you praised this I am no longer proud.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 3-Sep-04/9:49 AM Reply
Two forces? Pish! I don't understand why you think it impossible that man's capacity to care for the welfare of others could not have been brought about by evolution. Did it ever occur to you that an individual's survival may depend upon the welfare of others? Did it ever occur to you that a group's survival may depend upon its capacity to cooperate, and on the capacity of individuals within the group to compromise for the benefit of the group? Evolution doesn't have an aim as such; as we understand it today, it is brought about by random mutation and natural selection. There is no reason why random mutations couldn't lead to characteristics we'd associate with kindness, and it is not necessarily the case that such characteristics would be disadvantageous. I think you misunderstand evolution. In fact, I think you misunderstand so many things that "Wisdom Poetry" probably isn't your thing. I recommend the moving of bow'ls -10-
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 4-Sep-04/3:44 PM Reply
Dear Dark Angel:
I agree with you as you do have a very good point. However, as you can see, I did make provision for your well-made point in that man, having been "melded into society/socialized/brain-washed" is, I feel, moved, by the evolutionary force, to cooperate with those within "his own family" (his national group) in order to defend himself/his group of fellows by killing the enemy.......... in order to survive.

Love,
Doug
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › dougsoderstrom 6-Sep-04/8:53 AM Reply
But why do you bring spirituality into it all? It nearly always just confuses things. If you really do agree with me, then you will be of the opinion that human behaviour can be accounted for without reference to mysterious 'spiritual forces'.
[10] anonymous 3-Sep-04/7:42 PM Reply
1. Suppose there is a gene which causes an individual to risk their life to the degree of < 1/2 in order to save a parent, sibling or child.

2. A parent, sibling or child shares 1/2 of your genes with you.

3. Hence in a population where < 1/2 individuals sacrifice their lives to save their parents, siblings or children, and 1/2 of those parents, siblings or children share the kin-sacrifice gene, > 0 individuals with the kin sacrifice gene will survive and pass on the kin sacrifice gene.

4. Hence according to the simple, deterministic rules of evolution, which you seem to assume must always be self-serving, altruism in favour of one's kin will prosper as a pattern of behaviour.

5. Despite being a self-styled "professor" who "specialises" in the "relationship" between "human" "psychology" and "morality", you fail to grasp even the most basic facts of such a relationship.

6. You are the most guff-filled ballsack of a poemranker contributor that I have ever had the tedious displeasure to have to filter out in my daily trawl of poem-recent.jsp

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[n/a] dougsoderstrom › anonymous 4-Sep-04/3:45 PM Reply
PLEASE NOTE ABOVE.
[n/a] deleted user › anonymous 4-Sep-04/3:59 PM Reply
Falls down a bit when the child has a particularly accident prone parent which it has to repeatedly risk its life to save its parent. And in evolutionary terms parents are less useful than their offspring (until they themselves become parents). Also complicated in that a parent can protect a number of its offspring at once. Therefore the effectiveness of such altruism would depend on the number of offspring. Anyway in conclusion doug is a dunce.

I would also advise anyone suggesting demarcating areas of human behaviour (Doug) to look at how the brain functions. Try hitting someone with a hammer in order only to disrupt their speech (clue:- you can't). Someone told me brain function was relevant to psychology, maybe not in america.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 3-Sep-04/7:45 PM Reply
Why don't you at least make the most rudimentary effort to earn your fucking pseudo-professor's salary by reading a couple of books concerning your supposed expert subject matter, motherfucker?

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[n/a] horus8 › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 4-Sep-04/12:31 AM Reply
Dude, you said "motherfucker" with pinache, sweet.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › horus8 4-Sep-04/4:15 AM Reply
Yeah, and I also managed to leave an anonymous comment. I thought that was impossible.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 4-Sep-04/3:46 PM Reply
Thank you dark Angel......

Love, Doug
[n/a] dougsoderstrom › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 4-Sep-04/3:46 PM Reply
Thank you, Dark Angel...... You are so sweet.

Love,
Doug
[0] zodiac 5-Sep-04/3:25 AM Reply
You fucking retard. I've never read anything this stupid, seriously. Oh, and by the way, your use of ellipses is soooooo cool AND literate! Maybe you do it to seem like a "normal", "chatty", and "generally well-liked guy" instead of "one of the educated elite". Or maybe it's just because you're the dimmest guy ever! Enjoy your life!

P.S.-If I were at all inclined to make a conversation out of this, I'd say the primary "forces" "molding" "man's character" are his tendencies to blunder around into things alot and not learn very much from what he's blundered into. This probably leads him to do as many "good" or "selfless" things as "evil" or "selfish" things, since neither is necessarily harder or more distasteful than the other, and since both of those categories are the dampest of turds anyway. So it's not like you're going to get with a lot of nice, non-desperate chicks talking about them! Maybe you should stop!

Affectionately,
zodiac