god'swife
on Yellow Star by Mr Pig
22 Jul 2003, 3:35 PM
Listen,
If any mother's child dies
It does not matter how.
Wicked is wicked anyway you slice it. Let us say my boy
Yes my sweet boy Cancer maybe?
Or prejudice?
Mr. Pig, Mr. Pig, you overwhelm
Like a waltz with too much structure, you send me
spinning round the room.
Less is sometimes more.
But still I love you so
I hate to upset this unique cart.
Sweet dear child, this poem of yours, what can I possibly say? Despite her obvious faults she is a true real beauty. "She pasted away" here you have stumpled onto the genius of words. Good for you, she needs an edit, the way a lovely girl could use a good haircut and a decent pair of shoes.
bullshit? oh no, I don't use your language.
Horus before we both get bags under our eyes and go mental :
I accept why you felt incensed we are both passionate souls and when things get heated our emotions boil over. This powm was only based on the events of the holocaust nothing more, nothing less but I have learned that this is a subject NO ONE can touch on without courting a mixed response. I believe we grow up and are taught in a dubious curriculum of politically selected history (I'm not that gullible that the german race believed in hitlers causes) But I have learned (like you) to search for the darker sides of humanity and shine a light on it. This was a light that did not reach you and I do not believe in the succinct nature of a poem one could capture the whole story. That is why I chose a chapter in history and to be honest horus reflecting on our exchange I am pleased we have disagreed and oyu have enlightened anyone who will read this whoi may not have known of why the nazis persecuted the Jews.
I think due to our passionate natures we are bound to wind each other up, you wrote a poem about the pig and jew and I called you a hypocrite.
However you asked me once I you could trust me, and I KNOW I can trust you as you know things about me no one on p/r knows and that was my choice because I respect you, your a ballsy guy who lives his dreams something I used to do and do no longer.
Therfore to conclude I wish to offer no hard feelings and to thank you and the rest of the commentors for such a knackering but apt discussion.
Warm regards
Mr Pig.
(let their be love again)
Sooo... Is it Esperanto, Swahili, or bullshit?
I accept why you felt incensed we are both passionate souls and when things get heated our emotions boil over. This powm was only based on the events of the holocaust nothing more, nothing less but I have learned that this is a subject NO ONE can touch on without courting a mixed response. I believe we grow up and are taught in a dubious curriculum of politically selected history (I'm not that gullible that the german race believed in hitlers causes) But I have learned (like you) to search for the darker sides of humanity and shine a light on it. This was a light that did not reach you and I do not believe in the succinct nature of a poem one could capture the whole story. That is why I chose a chapter in history and to be honest horus reflecting on our exchange I am pleased we have disagreed and oyu have enlightened anyone who will read this whoi may not have known of why the nazis persecuted the Jews.
I think due to our passionate natures we are bound to wind each other up, you wrote a poem about the pig and jew and I called you a hypocrite.
However you asked me once I you could trust me, and I KNOW I can trust you as you know things about me no one on p/r knows and that was my choice because I respect you, your a ballsy guy who lives his dreams something I used to do and do no longer.
Therfore to conclude I wish to offer no hard feelings and to thank you and the rest of the commentors for such a knackering but apt discussion.
Warm regards
Mr Pig.
(let their be love again)
You would be a crappy lawyer, relax. Let's answer some of your observations shall we.
1) I think I am Horus8, a magic name I chose for special reasons some might unriddle when I'm dead.
2) I did not think your poem was bad. You are a good writer it would be hard for you to write something bad. I said that to the normal poet it would be confusing because of the language, place, and terms you used both metaphorically and up front. Because, it's a muddy surface. You follow what all of our text books taught us perfectly and there's nothing new or different about your observations, and poets are experts at putting a newlight or twist on an old dance, but you didn't. i'm surprised there wasn't a lampshade, or a delousing, or a train car with eyes and hands. Your approach and mood is also very rigid and bias. Good writers use research and undiscovered angles and data to their advantage, you didn't. Sometimes the best way to define pain and suffering immeasurable. Is to contrast it like in that movie "Life is beautiful" or my favourite Lina Wertmuller's "Seven Beautys" where this Italian ladys man gets thrown in a concentration camp, and what ensues is just a perfect example of what my point to you is.
7) I do not know everything, but all people are born with the subconscious ability to feel what's right or wrong. Besides knowing everything would suck because i'm already over informed, and my intuition is so keen that I guess right 90% of the time,
it ruins movies, relationships and boardgames, but all that comes back to comprehension levels, memory recapitulation, and reading while grounded or incarcerated. Oh, and genetics ZEIG HEIL! lol.
5) "Maybe you are a jew because I say you are ! you see its childish to label people isn't it?" What? If a person's jewish and proud of it, and I say "hey there goes a jew" am i labeling them? Hardly, I think that's called stating the obvious. I am not a nazi or a Jew, I do write from their perspectives occasionally to inform people that. A Jew thinks anyone that is not Jewish is an infidel, lesser than, not the choosen people. A Nazi, is just a nihilist in uniform with an agenda that they think is worth dying for, if not worth killing people for, and they also think that they are 'special' and chosen. Now tell me, if that aint a match made in heaven, what is? I find it a waste of time all together to join any group that revolves around seperatism
6)Since you're not a Jew, you are doing just what I do, imagining, except how can you be so good at describing your blooding and such, but toss it on this one? My poem niggerhole has nothing to do with the Black race. Nor does the word nigger look it up. That poem was about Humanists going off (satanists) because I think it's funny what people will buy into to belong. Your comment above is very Hitlerish, by the way, though you are not, because it's psychotic and all over the place. i never said your haikus were not good they're just always syllablicly off, and since your one of the best list favourites. i was wondering if you were going to get good at counting eventually.
Communicating about a subject like this is healthy, not taking things too far. And I think about everything I say, especially when 30 million souls died for this horseshit. Am I a god? Yes, we are all the image of god, and capable of infinitely more than finger pointing and slavery or racism or murder.
3) I live in A Jewish neighborhood, i am my next door neighbors shabbas goy, I am not jewish, but all of my dearest friend are, and my mentor is David Weismen. My agent Robert Abrahms (jew) my manager didi binder (jew), but was that my point? That I have something against Jews? I don't, but I'm not afraid to tell them what I think either, it doesn't mean I'm a nazi. I believe both sides were wrong, and also that America and some others put these balls in motion with the treaty of Versailles. Aryans are not racists, their name was stolen and used inappropriately, once again they were a peaceful steppe people 5,000 years ago, but when you take a moron and give him an occult book he can't understand? Weird shit can happen. My pathetic defense of History is not pathetic, or a defense, I just enjoy pushing stereotypes until they break. I am taoist by heart and feel that hating any team that your favourite team is playing? Is an unevolving 360 degree trap. We should not blame the German people, or Hitler, or Nazis. We should blame our own inability to maintain a grasp on reality when we win the lottery, or are informed we are dying. But some can't maintain, they snap, go out and kill their coworkers. Or (in the case of winning) spend the money on ridiculous shit until broke or dead for a life of what ifs. It's your classic example of a child seeing how far they can push a parent until no. Hitler was a psychotic just begging for attention and to be told no. If it wasn't the Jews it would have been someone else. When a psychopath is surrounded by enablers, money, fear, and people waiting on every word they utter. They become a time bomb, and when they get that first taste of superstar applause? Look out!
4) I am not conceited, I'm just more aware than your normal Joe, and I wouldn't torture anything, being a survivor of torture myself. To become that would be my worst nightmare.
i am debating the fact that your poem doesn't include anyone else but the Jews and the Nazis black and white, if you would of had an italian girl singing to cheer them up before dying, or a gypsy still hustling incarcerated it would have been contrasted and brought humor and hope to an impossible situation, and show your audience that you're not just writing this because everyone will give it tens out of guilt.
That's what dictionaries are for, dude.
Who gave me 4 for this? the same who gave five for my other.... and then ran away?
the least you can do is comment
wow really long and its really good!
that is very pretty! good work!
awwww wow thats so pretty!
ummm okay thats just not right and thats weird and...did i mention not right
Sorry that you feel that way, but there are more sides to the story of Nazi Germany pre WWII and post WWII then obviously you're aware of. Both sides of my family fled the nazi war machine, and I've spent a great deal of time researching what took place, of course you are entitled to think the Germans as a people are evil and the Jews are innocent, but I don't believe ten to fifteen year old boys and girls can be held responsible for buying into what the pied piper was saying (hitler) That's how he took control. He told them what they wanted to hear, and the bought it hook line and sinker, since most of their rolemodels (fathers etc) were dead from the first great war, and they time was right for radical change, or revolution because, there were no jobs, unless you were Jewish, in fact the jews wouldn't even sell food in the marketplace to the Germans. I will reiterate, after WWI the Germans were blockaded by treatys, their country was in pieces, they were bankrupt, and starving. Because, to the victor goes the spoils, and since they lost they became almost like foreigners in their own country. The Jews are first class merchants and craftsmen and no dummies. They saw a golden opportunity to immigrate to Germany after the war and buy everything up under the pretense of rebuilding, and make a buck. Which they did by the millions. The Germans, desperate, were happy to have anyone trying to help, since the allies were keeping them in limbo. After a while though Germans started to get a bit bent on the Jews because, they owned everything, and 99% of the time treated infidels less equal than themselves. They wouldn't loan the German farmers money, they foreclosed on everything, and put millions of germans on the street, while they fine dined in furs and created a syndicate that prevented... Any German, from healing and getting back to normal. It was an ugly situation, but i can gurantee you that the german people as a whole were in purgatory for years suffering and trying to regain some sense of themselves. What you're missing is how bad would you need to be suffering to be into Adolphs plan? Did you think they were all just doing great and then hitler came along and they said to themselves " Now here's a guy with charisma?" No, they were desperate, and they made a worse situation into hell.