Re: Celestial Veil by Hadasl	zodiac 212.118.19.212	6-Apr-05/3:35 AM
When God is lonely, do you think He ever imagines looking at nude girls, the way humans do? PS-I know you don't separate Jesus and God in the poem, but I imagine them separate and, you know, like hanging out alot. I mean, why the hell wouldn't they?
Re: a comment on Prayer For The Church by sliver	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	6-Apr-05/3:28 AM
Look you started this discussion saying that both me and zodiac were wrong. I can't vouch for zodiac, but when I pointed out to you that your notion of asking and only receiving if God wanted you to receive is different from "Ask and ye shall receive." This was my point all along, and you completely ignored it. And I disagree with you about Jesus's prayer in Gethsemane. Jesus didn't pray such a stupid, illogical prayer in Gethsemane because prayer is "supposed to be inconsistent." He prayed a stupid, illogical prayer because the Bible is not divinely inspired, so either the prayer didn't happen, or it was prayed by an ordinary (though extremely deluded) beard-man.
Re: a comment on Prayer For The Church by sliver	zodiac 212.118.19.212	6-Apr-05/3:24 AM
Where does silver say "nevertheless, not my will but yours be done"? Sure, he's backtracked and said it since -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I. called him on it, and it was probably somewhere in his mind when he was writing the poem. But this whole conversation is about whether you're asking for your own will or God's will while praying, so you have to admit that's a pretty big thing to leave out. As far as the poem/prayer goes, he's only asking for his own will. PS-I notice you've totally changed your approach since posting this comment, and now prayer's not supposed to be logical. Well, I mean, duh. For one thing, you're talking to an invisible being with the omnipotent power to inconsistently grant incomprehensible gifts. For another thing, when you pray you pretty much have something in mind that you want (i.e., to pass this math test), but you're supposed to ask for whatever God sees fit to offer (i.e., a new Chevy Malibu), so you kind of want to remind God about the math test without seeming like you know better what you need. In that kind of bind, the Jesus model isn't a bad one; you tell God what you have in mind (i.e., not dying), then politely ask him to do whatever He was going to do in the first place (i.e., crucifixion). Unfortunately, that's not what silver did. That's the whole point.
Re: a comment on No Worries by Dovina	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	6-Apr-05/3:10 AM
His original mental description is THE description of why he actually wore a hat. Each question you ask him refers to that very description. If he is to ANSWER THE QUESTION he must refer back to that description each time. If he does not, then at some point he will be answering "YES" where he should be answering "NO" (or vice versa). That would mean he was not telling a lie (thereby violating a rule).
Re: a comment on No Worries by Dovina	zodiac 212.118.19.212	6-Apr-05/3:07 AM
I get it. You still don't get it. Let's try a test: I'll explain how I get it, and you explain how you get it. If I can't explain or my answer's gibberish, I lose. Same for you. To make it easy for you, I'll go first. To make it slightly harder for you, after you're finished explaining you have to justify or apologize for contradicting yourself 4-Apr-05/8:21 AM, 4-Apr-05/1:40 PM, and 4-Apr-05/4:29 PM, to say the least. ZODIAC: Can you not see that the closed-minded under the first definition ONLY consider the source [i.e., I won't consider his proposition that my odor is offensive because he's Negro, or because he's zodiac], while the closed-minded under the second definition ONLY consider the content [i.e., I won't consider his proposition that my odor is offensive, because it goes against my pre-existing ideas about my odor]? ADDENDUM: As of 4-Apr-05/8:21 AM, Dovina had never said anything like the second definition, only the first. Since then, she's said the two are the same like ten times. (They're not.)
Re: I still love you by Prince of Void	Stephen Robins 213.146.148.199	6-Apr-05/1:07 AM
This poem or (other) is extremely rubbish.
Re: Moments (or) Suicide by Dovina	Stephen Robins 213.146.148.199	6-Apr-05/1:06 AM
The once warming, nay, comforting shroud of guff that surrounded your work, like a brown halo, has been penetrated by a sharp incision of failure hence the above poem receives a fitting vote of -4- :{
Re: Make Music in Your Heart by Dovina	Hadasl 85.250.29.224	5-Apr-05/11:37 PM
The content is great, but the flow is awful. Though there were some mediocre lines, for example: 'This is how I learned the piano and how I’ve learned to write now' It sounds like a 5 year old wrote it. And by the way, we are all still learning. The flow seems very elementary and abecedarian, so please work on that. As well, learn to accept criticism. Your comments to the reviews, (any comment to reviewing, if not for elucidation, is wrong in my opinion) were extremely puerile. Accept it, and move on. You shouldn't try to fight with people to change their views to ones you agree with. Be mature.
Re: a comment on What I Exist For by Dovina	Prince of Void 62.220.96.231	5-Apr-05/10:03 PM
still is there ...in depth of a poet's heart and in the deep peace of a poet's mind upon a lake of surreal moments of a poet open the door of wonders has been waited so long so far now close to your inner eyes it has taken you to other side by the power is unkown lies in somewhere in mind to show you beyond eternity where you are still here but You are so far away
Re: I still love you by Prince of Void	Prince of Void 62.220.96.227	5-Apr-05/9:12 PM
it never reach three
Re: a comment on No Worries by Dovina	Dovina 12.72.13.91	5-Apr-05/6:18 PM
"Because I'm cold." It is a lie, why not change it to deceive. You will say that's not fair because the Liar-Confuser is not answering, but holding the truth in his mind. I say baloney, he can do that under the original rules.
Re: a comment on Prayer For The Church by sliver	Dovina 12.72.13.91	5-Apr-05/6:14 PM
If they say that prayer is a logical process, will you confront them on it? Because if you do, it could only lead to differing definitions of the word “logical.” You would prevail using the dictionary definition, and they would go away unchanged in their belief, but with a clearer understanding of what the word “logical” means. My question to you on this and many similar arguments is: What’s the point?
Re: a comment on Prayer For The Church by sliver	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	5-Apr-05/2:26 PM
I'd be very surprised if sliver (or tadpole) would agree with you that prayer is supposed to be illogical.
Re: a comment on No Worries by Dovina	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	5-Apr-05/1:59 PM
What do you mean by 'original answer'?
Re: Lost by skye	skye 24.95.245.159	5-Apr-05/11:52 AM
Thank you Dovina, so nice to meet you! skye
Re: Three words and thirty coins by Caducus	Dovina 12.72.14.10	5-Apr-05/11:30 AM
This is all very confusing.
Re: Lost by skye	Dovina 12.72.14.10	5-Apr-05/11:24 AM
I've seen her, can feel her paranoia. Welcome to poemranker.
Re: a comment on No Worries by Dovina	Dovina 12.72.14.10	5-Apr-05/11:17 AM
My answer to your second question is yes. I don't even have to think about it to answer yes or no, because I am a deceiver and will continually deceive you by lying differently about what my answer is. If I must stick with my original answer, then you have imposed a rule.
Re: a comment on Prayer For The Church by sliver	Dovina 12.72.14.10	5-Apr-05/11:12 AM
Is that what you will say when you are old and in your humiliating death throws, incontinent, and being attended by a rubber-gloved nurse, swabbing a portion of your anatomy as you cry out in pain? Can’t you see that prayer is supposed to be inconsistent. If it were entirely logical, it would be void of meaning. Now tell me I just said an illogical thing, because I did.
Re: Three words and thirty coins by Caducus	fevriere 62.254.128.4	5-Apr-05/8:07 AM
Nyah.. I'm afraid this tastes a bit stale to me. "The God's"? Do you mean "the gods" or am I missing something? No vote - hoping it might be revised.