Yes and little fairies flying around your head exist too if you define them as invisible creatures that you can't observe in any way. I'm not saying that love and logic don't exist. I'm just saying what they are depends on the eye of the beholder. Happy marriages are boring because they rely on ignorance and lack of conflict. Sure the two in the marriage don't think it's boring because they can't observe their marriage being that they are the subject of observation and so they need a third party to intervene.(It's at the core of quantum physics) What they see as exciting is each other and so they don't see the boringness of their stability. Now if you mean by happy marriage "The Honeymooners" than I say but it's the conflicts that make it so exciting and also make the resolves so romantic.
And by "resolves" I mean Ralph bending Alice over the kitchen table and just before shoving it in yelling..."TO THE MOON ALICE. BANG, ZOOM, TO THE MOON!
And by "resolves" I mean Ralph bending Alice over the kitchen table and just before shoving it in yelling..."TO THE MOON ALICE. BANG, ZOOM, TO THE MOON!
But still what he's deduced is based on information he's obtained from the telescope, books he's studied and countless other pieces of data he's obtained. All originally through his senses. If you're refering to logic as information not immediatly at hand but stored in memory and then arranged in a useful manner than fine, OK but it still all begins with the senses. Even Helen Keller had to start with a word she learned at an early age through hearing before she went deaf. Then only through touch could she be taught any further. In short there is no sense in such logic.
on For Love of Baseball by Dovina
28 Dec 2005, 2:17 AM
Explain the "Infield fly rule" to him and he's likely to propose to you on the spot.
Logic is not logical without perceptual verification or influence. Even if some super mathematician worked out mathematically the likelyhood of 332 planets orbiting that star is 100% he still needs to use information obtained from the senses to imagine the concept and to see the star in the first place. You seem to think that if you started a super-computer with no programming except a binary code and it had no interaction with anything but itself than it would somehow
miraculously figure out everything around it anyway.
Happy marriages are boring.
miraculously figure out everything around it anyway.
Happy marriages are boring.
You're assuming that you can't sense something in a real way. Even Zeno didn't make that assumption. We seem to think we have some magical thing in our brains that allows us to be logical without using information we've obtained from our senses. Whether it be memory (A replay of something experienced through sense) or instinct (a preprogrammed response developed from our ancestors sensed experience) or abstraction (a symbolic representation of experience used to symplify things) or deduction (a mixture of memory and instinct and abstraction)
332 is a symbol. What if say 2 of them were twins? Then on a genetic level there are only 331 unique individuals. See it depends on what or how you're counting. Even though the group hasn't changed you can come up with different numbers based on what you're looking for. The numbers only exist as symbols for grouping things in common that we percieve to be in common. Another analogy: You're the only person on earth and you see double sometimes. If you see birds in a tree and they aren't singing how do you know how many birds are in the tree. See senses are a requirement.
332 is a symbol. What if say 2 of them were twins? Then on a genetic level there are only 331 unique individuals. See it depends on what or how you're counting. Even though the group hasn't changed you can come up with different numbers based on what you're looking for. The numbers only exist as symbols for grouping things in common that we percieve to be in common. Another analogy: You're the only person on earth and you see double sometimes. If you see birds in a tree and they aren't singing how do you know how many birds are in the tree. See senses are a requirement.
No, Zeno's not so annoying as he is delusional. His great folly is that he assumed mathematics and science weren't governed by the same faulty senses. Mathematics is just abstract symbolism for things we percieve as consistant. Define zero without using mathematics. It's nothing, so it can't exist and if it doesn't exist why does it appear in mathematics? Yet wothout it computers won't operate. The tape measure is governed by mathematics and so is limited by the limitations of mathematics. Take a computer that is programmed to measure something down to the infinate fraction and have it measure something that is exactly a yard long and the computer will never finish measuring. Zeno himself is his greatest contradiction. There is no logic beyond our senses that we know of.
replying on philosophy of a new age by crazyknight
22 Dec 2005, 7:42 PM
or you end up sounding like an ancient chinese pot-smoker.
replying on Unbroken Horses by Caducus
21 Dec 2005, 5:06 AM
I'm not justifying him. I'm just saying most people don't have one dimensional personalities. There's been many a drunk driver who was considered a decent upstanding citizen. My grandfather was in many ways like this guy but there was also things about him you could love.
replying on Unbroken Horses by Caducus
20 Dec 2005, 5:43 PM
Why, because he shot a donkey while drunk and in intense grief over the loss of the only woman he'd ever love?
replying on My kids by amanda_dcosta
20 Dec 2005, 5:38 PM
Take as much time with her as you want playa. You need to make up for lost time with her.
replying on Unbroken Horses by Caducus
20 Dec 2005, 7:19 AM
Not by the Grandmother's.
replying on Mixed Quartet by Dovina
20 Dec 2005, 7:12 AM
And some people will just say you've lost them.
Sorry, but when you put out such tempting bait you're gonna get a bite.:)
Sorry, but when you put out such tempting bait you're gonna get a bite.:)
on Unbroken Horses by Caducus
19 Dec 2005, 4:05 PM
There was a time when men were hard living, gritty, stubborn SOB's and women were everyday saints. It was a different time that called for a different kind of people. Do not judge or praise them by today's standards. They did what they felt they had to do.
replying on Mixed Quartet by Dovina
19 Dec 2005, 7:36 AM
Sorry I didn't mean to. I was just trying to warn her ahead of time. If I ever get a day of work off and some rest I'll scrounge up something for you for Christmas. Maybe I'll stuff your stocking ;)
on Heaven Help Me by cyan9
19 Dec 2005, 7:24 AM
Nice prose.
replying on philosophy of a new age by crazyknight
19 Dec 2005, 7:11 AM
"Yet mystery and reality
emerge from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness born from darkness.
The beginning of all understanding."
emerge from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness born from darkness.
The beginning of all understanding."
By the way D.A. P.I's response is likely to be along the lines of: "Without any sense whatsoever I can tell you how many planets orbit any given star by using this calculation: x² + 7x + 53 = 11/3 ."