-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I.
replying on Live by Luv2write
20 Mar 2003, 1:12 AM
lol
The first two lines are horribly cliche. Then you dive right into the juvenile idea of some happy realm in the clouds were everything is lemonade and buttercups. Everything is pretty much the same after that. What are you trying to say? What is important here, new, insightful? You are terribly naive.
Write something meaningful. Write something frightening, tell me something frank and risky about yourself, your faith. This is an easter greetings card, it's not about reality, or living this life. Or the struggle of being a christian for that matter.
Personally, I am an atheist who loves Jesus more than anyone else, more than any other idea. Because of what he tries to teach me. Whether there is a god or not holds no bearing on what Jesus symbolizes. Love, charity, friendship. Infact if there is no god, and Jesus was just some gentle schitzophrenic, his life is that much more poignant.
Is christ really as concerned with what happens to you after you die, as he is with how you live? Paul's the one who keeps going on about the rewards of the afterlife. I mean just for the sake of arguement read the sermon on the mount or any of the parrables but instead of thinking Jesus is talking about what awaits you when you're dead, read it in the context of Jesus telling you what awaits you now, while you're here in this life, if you follow his teachings. Not to judge, but to love. That is so fucking difficult. Look at me, I couldn't be nice to Ornella if you paid me(well maybe if you paid me), and the man I have loved deeply for 7 years just dumped me, and what do I want to do? Buy a gun and shot him because of the unbearable pain I'm his brought me. That's why I love Jesus, because he offers me salvation from being such a lousy selfish impulsive animal. He says to me, "Hey, what about love. What about treating these horrible people the way you'd want them to treat you"? Because I'm horrible too, intil I train myself not to be, and for me personally, the best teacher, the one it's easiest to understand, is Christ. That is all, that's why my faith in him is important.
There is no afterlife. No heaven. No hell. Most christians interpret "The kingdom of god is at hand" as meaning the end is near. Maybe it means this place here, this only existence we can be sure of, could be the kingdom of god if we just did right by each other.
I've read the bible hundreds of times. I read it every day. It's mostly a fairytale, but every myth has it's lesson. Don't let the lesson be that dying is better than living. That there is a place better than this place. This place is all we have, and we have it for such a short while. Don't imagine pearly gates or strive for distant stars. Imagine a simple contentment. Strive for a moment's peace.
Don't let the lesson be that all those who don't believe as you have been taught, are doomed to eternal suffering. How arrogant, how stupid and childish and ungodly.
I chose the name god'swife because it is such a ludicrous idea. As if there were a god, as if he had a wife. I cannot be god because I am female. The best I can do is marry well.
I feel very tender feelings for you right now. I don't wish to shake your faith, but step outside your fence. Travel out to the edge of the wood, go in, find something better for yourself. Read the Gnostic gospels, read the gospel according to Thomas. Go to the desert and confront God. Did you know your Bible, the one you hold in your hands and take to church, was put together by a bunch of greedy, perverted catholic bishops? Think about that.
Your sister in Christ.
I know where you're coming from, lastobelus. I was raised hardcore catholic, then when I was around 10 or 11 my mother was "born again"
as a fundamentalist bible thumping Pentecostal. Because of this I ended up leaving home at the age of 17. It was the most difficult thing I ever did, and
I'm still not over the emotional effects.
AH. IT's A BIT BETTER oops, caps, but it could be structuraly improved dramaticaly with the right editor and approach, to get the tens anyhow. 9.
Yes. YESA!
Sir, are you eating cantaloupe with salt and cherries again. Heaven? Hell? Making? If you had any manipulation over that assembly point of yours you could get up and walk across water. Hell is a thing, and it's for children with ms. I know, i've seen it late at night bumping into my furniture. Yes, hell is a thing. It's an noun with oomph and fizzle. there is no heaven. There is no hell. period. It's all just stories of trial and error and our evolution held in a tiny jewish cranium for sale down the street. Alas operation freedom is underway, yippy.
Pop Quiz: what did Kurt Godel, Ludwig Wittgenstein and Werner Heisenberg prove? Answer: you don't know, you can't know, you can't say and you can't understand. This applies to everything. Even Christian theology implies these things. You should stop being so goddamned selfish and give something back to the earth instead of engaging in futile debate concerning what is none of your business. It don't matter. It just don't matter. Oh god we can't even establish causality *WUH HUH HUH* can't observe something without affecting it *SNRKNKNK* language is no better than mathematics, which is a pile of hooey anyway **SBBLLB WUH HUH HUH HUH, HUH WUH WUH** Bertrand Russell where are you now that we need you here?? **WUH HUH HUH** Whitehead?? Anyone??????///////////////////
what a crock. I was raised a hardcore fundamentalist christian, leaving it was far far harder emotionally than staying. I was abandoning my family, my community.
But stuff like Numbers 31 and Psalm 137 (which I came across when I was 16) just don't cut it with me. Even if he is real, I won't serve a god who tells his followers to do such things.
Would you, really, Luv2write? Have you ever read Numbers 31? Or Joshua? Read Numbers 31 and make it into a story, dramatize it in your head, from the point of view of one of the 32,000 Midianite virgin girls divvied up among the Israelite men after they had slaughtered everyone she'd ever known. How would she feel about god? I DARE you to read Numbers 31 and make a vivid story of it in your head. Your god ordered that done.
Tell me, Luv2write: Do you think that it is a good thing that Christians make mistakes? Do you think that being sinless is boring?
It's hard for people to give their lives to Christ because Christianity is complete and utter bullshit. It's so obviously bullshit. The vast majority of Christians are only Christians because they have grown up with Christian beliefs and are too scared to let (one) go. The fact that the majority of religious people adopt the religion of those about them makes it OBVIOUS that it is their environment, rather than any sort of divine experience of Jesu, that has led them to choose such a religion.
If you believe in Christianity, but still refuse to give your life to Christ because you think Christians have no fun, then you are either insane or so unbelievably stupid that I seriously doubt you even wear trousers.
Besides, Christians don't have fun. I've been to Christian social events, and all they consist of is a load of smug idiots in sandals singing Christian folk songs. You can tell by their faces that they are utterly weak and probably think that wooden toys are better than plastic toys because they are more traditional. Wooden toys are so beautiful.
i revised this 3/19/03...hope the revisions improve it
It's not a simple choice... well, it is, but it's difficult to make. 1) you have to mean it 2) you have to surrender 3) you have to want it. It's hard for people to give their lives to Christ because they think Christians have no fun, but we do. We're not boring sinless freaks, we make mistakes like everyone else. We just have a fogiving God and they would too if they would accept Him. What do you think?
How does leaving a spontaneous and very very funny reply on your comment consitute butting in? I don't give a flying fuck about your dynamic, and if there is really something worth while between the two of you what possible influence is what I write going to have? I just enjoy making fun of you.
Bi-polar is not a virus. It doesn't come and go, you either are or you aren't. You will always be Ornella to me. Please don't forget to invite me to the wedding.
weren't we suppose to discuss something? try jeremi_handrinos@yahoo.com
Ahh poor Orson. :( I was rooting for him too. Oh well. 8.
each stanza is a haiku. The whole thing is meant to be read together, or it can be torn appart and used in other manuscripts or works of your writing etc. At least that's why i do mine that way. It's a poem built out of haiku, see, that wasn't so hard was it mr. Author?
There are some very interesting symbols and feelings twisting around in this piece. 8.
OneFingerAnswer
replying on The Beauty of His Last Night Wasted by OneFingerAnswer
18 Mar 2003, 8:11 PM
Mind if I ask where those would be?