Half-gram, yeah, that's about tear-sized. Too little to choke a person. Still, how is a tear under her breathswell?

That is not what I said. Not even close! And except for a few lines, which you could point out, and except for a few lines in your poems, which I could point out, neither of us write that way.

Indeed they are not overwhelmingly so. And what if he did? And what if he didn't? You simply listen to yourself and ignore arguments that deter from your slanderous purposes. I'm simply bored with it all and with you. There is no discussing a matter with you. Merry Christmas.

You assume too much about people. And having assumed, you react with strong put-down language to minor things. This you do if the person appears wrong or incompetent in some area where you consider yourself more competent. You say that because jroday and blacksoul have flattered me that everything I say in their defense against your accusation is payment for their flattery. Your assumption leads to words like "buffoon" and "seriously damaged" applied to a person whose motives you may not know. In this case I know that you do not understand the motives, because the person is me. I don't know if blacksoul ever heard the expression that he put into his poem. Chances are that he did, but maybe it was in different phrasing when he heard it. I don't know, and neither do you. We each have an inclination, but inclinations are different from knowing. The difference between our reactions is that you lean heavily on your inclination and react harshly. I lean lightly on mine and react compassionately in blacksoul's favor.

Your comments, only the first line, are indented about 20 spaces in IE 6.0, sp2, on my computer, as are almost everyone's comments.

It was only plagiarism if he knew that way of saying it. I can know the idea "Know thyself," or know the gist of it, and say in in other words, and that's okay.
Notice how my comments are nicely spaced, not grossly indented like yours.

Society Disguised? Society's Dupe?

You are the buffoon here for your ridiculous accusation of plagiarism and your more ridiculous trying to support it. You already agreed that he probably did not know that particular quote, only that he might have known the gist of it.
And why are you unable to figure out how to avoid the indentations?

You and I seem to have vastly differing concepts on both logic and romanticism. Your first paragraph says that not following the rules of logic is dim, thus eliminating romantic and emotional expressions from intellectual discussion. Your argument uses “a scientific paper” as an example. Obvious, a scientific paper must be logical, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? You then say that because I claim that a poem that ignors the restraints of logic is okay, that I am claiming it to be magical. For the second time, let me say that “magical,” in my opinion, refers only to well-written poems, logical or not.

Next, you say that what I seem to want is for the ideas expressed in poetry to be beyond reproach. How silly! I criticize ideas in poems posted here almost daily, and welcome criticism on mine. I wish to be examined on an “intellectual level,” as you say, and on other levels. And why would you say that I consider rhyming important when my poems seldom rhyme? I don’t get it. And will you now say I don’t get it because I am dim and write bow’ls?

Can we have a sensible discussion on this subject, or is it best to just call each other names and walk away?

Only you think I think that's a contradiction.
These theories are different.

ass wagon, you retributor

It is not obvious where you get the idea that I believe poetry is magical. Your argument does not support your opening statement. Poems that fail to embrace the rules of logic can actually be good poems if they are well written from a sentimental, emotional, or other non-logical perspective. They are inherently no more or less magical than logically written poems.

You have given an example a an unsophisticated man trying to talk and perhaps write among sophisticates, and not doing as good a job of it as a professor could. I see no relevance of this example to the subject.

I agree with you that to be able to transform an idea is to better communicate it. But there are many ways to do that.

Wow, that's almost as Boolean as DA's comment, and a twist of what I said. Illigical poems can be either dim or bright, as can logical poems.

Seldom does one of us invent something. He worded a familiar idea because it meant something to him.

Merry Christmas to you and your father. May he recover and be relieved of the epilepsy that has plagued him.

begin-agains

I've heard it stated similarly before too. Since blacksoul did not use the exact wording, I doubt if he even knew about the Tanguy quote.