Re: a comment on Math Poem 3 by Dovina	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 82.39.20.71	5-Jan-05/12:07 AM
Dear boy, you may brush your trousers until they gleam, but you can't change the fact that '(x/x/3) = 3' is a provable, non-axiomatic statement in arithmetic, and so is a theorem of arithmetic. Just because something isn't an interesting X doesn't mean it isn't an X. Also, why are you suddenly waffling on about Goedel? If you're talking about the incompleteness theorem, you're buncombing up the wrong pair of stilts. That says there are some true statements that aren't theorems because they aren't provable. But '(x/x/3) = 3' is provable.
Re: a comment on What I Do Know by PsydewaysTears	PsydewaysTears 69.240.74.35	4-Jan-05/11:43 PM
I know what you mean. My "exact feelings" usually only muster up when I'm attempting free verse (I'm not so great at it yet). I'm more of a form writer at heart so whenever I mosey into free verse I tend to say both too much and too little (and it turns out journal-entry-ish). Thanks for the comment and rating! •°•Gregory James •°•
Re: What I Do Know by PsydewaysTears	justjay 207.190.60.1	4-Jan-05/9:37 PM
it seems like a little to much of a "journal entry" type of poem. i really do like the question type of finish to each stanza. something i never did but really like the sound to it. you also throw exactly how you feel into writting. something i tend to stay away from but it helps the reader see the situation. thanks for commenting on my poem by the way.
Re: a comment on Math Poem 3 by Dovina	patty t 64.231.16.199	4-Jan-05/6:41 PM
i'm saying that a facile statement like "a thing divided by a third of itself equals three" (x/x/3)=3) isn't a (mathematical) theorem AT ALL, but a mere logical/notational (if not grammatical) truism. mathematics is interesting because it can make conclusions about things that aren't immediately obvious. statements that are tautologic like 1=1 are, strictly speaking, mathematically uninteresting, and it does a disservice to serious thought to call such things math. if you want to take the euclidean view, and say that ALL math is a priori and analytic (ie based fundamentally on logical axioms), then you should go back and live with Newton in the 17th century. Non-euclidean spaces, Einstein and a fellow named Kurt Godel have proven false the notion that logic and math are identical. ok I'll stop ranting now, b/c it's way past the point of being helpful to the poem :)
Re: a comment on No sally, lay your troubles to bed by Crakyamuni	Shuushin 147.154.235.53	4-Jan-05/6:34 PM
What did this look like before?
Re: Over beast by Crakyamuni	cuddlytiger17 209.105.159.211	4-Jan-05/6:24 PM
Great! The first line lures you in. There's just something about this that's all-consuming. A life's lesson here summed up in a few lines.
Re: a comment on Math Poem 3 by Dovina	patty t 64.231.16.199	4-Jan-05/6:23 PM
that's like saying poetry is art; art is poetry - an altogether facile/reductionist statement. we're supposed to be precise with language here - calling math and logic the same thing is too flip for my taste. ps both words are greek in origin (logos - 'word' or 'study'; math - from word meaning 'understanding'); why bother with two words if they mean the same thing?
Re: distance by Crakyamuni	cuddlytiger17 209.105.159.211	4-Jan-05/6:18 PM
I liked this. People too often want things just for material possessions, or because someone else expects them to desire it. Once again, good write.
Re: cut yourself by Crakyamuni	cuddlytiger17 209.105.159.211	4-Jan-05/6:10 PM
Well I was reading through some of your poems that I'd already previously voted for, and I definitely know why I gave this one a 9. It's a shame that I didn't leave a comment though. The lines: "cutting out the unwanted pieces of palpatating veins there never was a clever way to reinvent my name nothing normal, acting out, borderline no fucking doubt" are great. For lack of better words, I really liked them. lol. It's blunt and to the point. Good write.
Re: Impotently Informed by cuddlytiger17	Crakyamuni 131.252.230.193	4-Jan-05/4:32 PM
A nice read, and definetely full of empathy. The turmoil we call life can cause a sense of longing, but it's the syntax, the breaking sun from the clouds, that lets us know this has happened so many times.
Re: a comment on Poetic Profit by Dovina	richa 81.178.222.175	4-Jan-05/3:45 PM
Following your explanation I am left wondering exactly why a belch is the wrong word to use as the verb but correct to use as a simile of said verb. Is it the door that makes all the difference? If not how about a modification of the simile. 'waft like a Lady's eructation' perhaps?
Re: a comment on Poetic Profit by Dovina	richa 81.178.222.175	4-Jan-05/3:37 PM
and weak in literary circles is an gentleman's word for brown.
Re: a comment on Math Poem 3 by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.6.101	4-Jan-05/3:21 PM
Can’t you see that it is not my intention in this series of math poems to hold rigorous mathematical standards? I want the poems to be correct mathematically, but not rigorous. The protagonist in No. 3 is not satisfying the demands that someone like Pythagoras faced in proving his well-known theory, nor should he. I’m trying to relate math to life, not math to philosophy or logic. And just in case you’re about to say that without logic, there is no math, let me add that much of the universe is running on chance to the chagrin of Einstein and others, and maybe the mind that made it that way likes the emotional tug of trying to outwit probability – “seven come eleven” and all that. No. 4 in the mill.
Re: a comment on Poetic Profit by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.6.101	4-Jan-05/3:01 PM
Because it’s not the same. “Waft” is a weak verb, and I used it because the smell was weaker than a belch. I know it’s complicated, but try. I’m flattered that the two of you feel a need to gang up on this important issue.
Re: Cigarettes and Masturbation by Lifeboatman	cuddlytiger17 209.105.138.232	4-Jan-05/2:50 PM
So very true. The worlds become a sad place...
Re: Poetic Profit by Dovina	jroday 204.215.33.75	4-Jan-05/2:36 PM
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Re: The Widow Bird by Bhaskaryya	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	4-Jan-05/2:02 PM
"But none could appreciate the pain That lurked behind that melancholic strain" O how often I have felt like that, as naked, lewd, and writhing, I toil o'er the pit. And in the garden, do not womenfolk and dung-cherubs behold my wails? And yet they pay but little heed. For 'tis oft' heard told, in the wooded glades of Derbyshire, that 'tis sweet and proper for an Gentleman to labour ere he casts stool. I daresay such whisperings hold little comfort for those forced to dine on rock-porridge and boiled chestnuts. O Jesu! Becalm my gnashing buttocks!
Re: Dying In The Corner by Zalev	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.153.196.50	4-Jan-05/1:30 PM
O wayward minstrel! Bestill thy warbling tongue! Thine irksome ballads tumble like elves 'pon the ears of wailing Netherfolk!
Re: a comment on Poetic Profit by Dovina	richa 81.178.222.175	4-Jan-05/11:53 AM
but it is 'barely' a simile. Waft is such a weak verb anyway, why not just use 'belch out of the door'.
Re: a comment on Betwixt and In Between by dougsoderstrom	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 82.39.20.71	4-Jan-05/11:16 AM
Or like when they sampled "Batman" -- his actual voice.